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累計発行部数72万部のベストセラー「LIFE SHIFT」著者リンダ・グラットンさん（68歳）をゲストに迎え、人生100年時代の働き方や自分らしく生き抜くコツ、そして自分の人生を豊かに生きるヒントなどを聞きました。「スキルの見つけ方」から「ChatGPT」「女性管理職」などなど話題満載です。「＃わたしの転職」特別版、MC申真衣との英語インタビューをたっぷりご覧ください。

【MC】申真衣（GENDA社長、雑誌『VERY』専属モデル）
　　　 狩野恵里（テレビ東京アナウンサー）
【ゲスト】リンダ・グラットンさん（『LIFE SHIFT』著者、ロンドン・ビジネススクール教授）

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Long interview in English with Lynda Gratton, 68, author of the bestseller “”LIFE SHIFT””.
Topics: “”How to Find Skills”” “”ChatGPT”” “”Women in Management”” and more.

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Welcome so nice to see you really nice to meet you very nice to meet you iine huge one of you oh thank you so much that’s so kind of you thank you very much our pleasure you thank you so first of all we would like to um talk

About your life shift 100 years so as she said she was so influenced she’s a big big big fan of I’m so excited what what did you think about what she said well I was so pleased and proud that you enjoyed the book and that

Also it had an impact on you and what I heard you saying is that you realize iiz that if you were going to live to a 100 you didn’t have to race through right you could actually take time sometimes to to change and to do something else to

Switch as this we see here and that’s just what I hope the book would do so thank you so much for sharing that with me I I like this phrase in the in the introduction the gift of living for longer means you don’t have to be forced into uh eat you don’t

You don’t have to be forced into either or choices yeah I know many people who read your book um and feel they they they need to work harder and rushed and become a little bit anxious to do their best and insecure in a way but I I would

Like to um I want to hold on to the good side of the message and the message written in the book I often think deeply about Choice the freedom and flexibility so I I got a question for you yeah is there anything we can usually do to avoid being forced into binary

Choices well life is all about choices um at so many times we have a choice about um who we marry um who big big Choice um who we what our first job is you know that sets you on a on a course a choice about do I

Change my job and I think that you know one can never know if that’s the right choice at the time you you you you don’t know that but you can try to realize that you have a long life and the choices you make you can always make

Another choice you know so if you go into a job where you enjoy it but then you don’t enjoy it so much you can change to something else so you don’t have to feel really anxious to say I have to make the right choice at every

Stage of my life because as your life uh gets longer you have more time to make other choices in the chapter 4 on the yeah yeah um chapter 4 says our good life needs intangible asset and tangible asset as well as the balance synergies

Between the two so um I will ask about U these intangible assets productive assets um Vitality assets and transformational assets so especially transformational assets has been relatively underutilized within the traditional three-stage life but will become crucial in in in the multi-stage life so what can we do to build

Transformational assets yeah well that’s such such a great question because when we wrote the book it was very obvious that one of your intangible assets an asset that money can’t buy is productivity everybody knew that and everybody knew that Vitality was going to be important but I thought it was

Really important that we put in that third asset which is about transformation because it seemed to me that as we move from a three-stage life full-time education full-time work full-time retirement to something that’s a multi-stage life you have to transform yourself and so how you do that is going

To be really important and what we realized is that two things are very important to help you transform yourself the first is you have to have some knowledge of yourself you know what you like what you don’t like but that’s not going to be enough you also have to um have friends

Around some of whom are different from you you know so for example if you want to be an entrepreneur if you don’t know anyone who’s an entrepreneur that’s really difficult but if you know one person for example for me my brother is an entrepreneur and so I watched him being an entrepreneur and

Then about 15 years ago I said to myself if my younger brother can be an entrepreneur then I can be an entrepreneur and I started my own business as as you’ve done and so you need to have a you know this a diverse Network you need to know lots of

Different people if everybody you know is the same as you you never change because you look around and say okay I’ll just stay the same so having that diversity is so important for transformation um how do you personally how do you find your your community like that variety of um people career with

Careers well I think you build your networks right across your life um for example you know friendship is very important I have a friend I’ve known since I was 10 years old so that’s very important but I think in terms of diversity to to meet people who are

Different from you you have to get outside your comfort zone that’s right you have to you have to meet people so for example in my case I’m very interested in in in in art and in uh in music and so I go to galleries I sit on

The board of a couple of uh art institutions I go to the Opera and I meet people who aren’t the same as me and that for me has been very inspiring to see how an artist thinks about their life to think about how a musician thinks about their life you need to have

Lots of different experiences yes do you think that our program’s the theme changing job is an important factor in building intangible assets I do because you know for our parents or our grandparents the world enabled them to to have one job and to stay with that job but actually

Everything is changing now you know artificial intelligence um the pandemic uh and many more things that we don’t even know and so if you only stay in one job it’s a risky yes wow you think by staying in one job you’re drisking your life you’re not you’re making your life

More risky and so by having different things you can do then you you uh you become more able to both do something that’s good for you but also that allows you to thrive and flourish whatever the circumstances you know I made a some a big decision like you did I went from a

Big company into a Consulting practice from a Consulting practice into Academia then I became an entrepreneur and it just means that I have a big Network it’s more exciting it’s like Darwin’s word um yeah not the strongest one will survive the most flexible one will survive I agree

The one who’s most able to adapt and to be able to adapt you need to have different skills so that you can change your skills change your networks because that’s what a long life is about you don’t stay the same you don’t look the same you don’t dress the same you need

To change who you are L actually I I am working for TV toky for 15 years and I have never ever uh thought about changing my career but what do you think about that well you know I I’ve worked phando business school now for 32 years 32 years2 years

So so I think it’s one of the things I noticed when I started talking to Japanese people is that they said oh people in the west change their job all the time that’s not true people still like stability you don’t want to be constantly changing

Your job but what you can do is have side projects that’s right so for example I have a job at London Business School as a professor but I also have my own Consulting practice ice I also sit on the board of one of the big art

Foundations in London um so I also write books you know so you can have this sort of portfolio of of different things now maybe your company doesn’t allow you to do that maybe not but companies are changing by the way that’s right they should you what’s very interesting is in

The last couple of years companies have started to change they’ve said you can have a sabatical even Bank of America have said you can have time off uh they’ve said unila has said you can work for us but you can also do something else at the

Same time so I think um I think companies are realizing that they have to be more flexible as well if they want to attract highly talented women like you um life shift mentions skills a lot a woman in her 30s who are who was a guest

On a program say she was tugging her skills and she said more as more taxs um are added she feels reassured yeah as she’s as her strong um Point grows it is a very simple question what skills should be acquired by what ISE that is a really

Hard question it’s not a simple question at all